British Type Breeds

Hi :)

I'm going to host my grand photoshow on here and I know that this is going to come up!

Pretty much all the British showing 'types' are missing from the breed list (I know you added Hunter for me which was amazing) :D

Could the following be added:

Ponies

Working Hunter Pony
Hunter Pony (Show Hunter Pony)
Partbred Welsh
Riding Pony
Show Pony

Cob Pony is also missing, there's only a generic 'cob' option with no option to choose between showing cobs, generic cobs & pony cobs! It would be good if Cob Pony (or Tinker Pony) was added so that the pony ones end up in pony and not in with light/draught horses!

Horses

Riding Horse
Hack
British Sport Horse

Thank you in advance from me and all the other British showers :) If you need info about any of these types please just ask!

I'll go even further, and would like to also see added to the list:

British Maxi Cob [Pics here: https://bit.ly/3vAPEKx ]
(The British Show Horse Association (BHSA), breaks down Cob types into: Lightweight, Heavyweight, and maxi )
[Source: page 9 of BSHA rulebook (2023): https://britishshowhorse.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/RULEBOOK-V4-2023.pdf

mini Gypsy Cob (aka Gypsy Pony) https://bit.ly/3uvxRDm

I agree Appaloosa, seeing Cob split into types would be good, I'd at least like to see a distinction between traditional cobs and show cobs.

There are three types of show cobs:

Lightweight
Middleweight
Maxi

Traditional cob refers to any partbred horse of unknown lineage in the UK, it could include your more characteristic heavily feathered coloured (or not coloured) cobs, but it can also include lighter weight horses that are more like hunters. It would also include ponies!

Some of these are a bit iffy (especially things like "Riding Horse"), since it is a breed list, not a type and/or discipline list. I guess I need a bit more explanation on how the more generic-sounding "types" work. As far as I understand it, the registries for some of these are only really for participating in specific competitions in the UK and don't really say much about the horse itself, other than perhaps its height (NAMHSA recently updated their breed list to include a section on why things like Maxi Cob aren't included, citing the same BSHA rules, on page 9). If it's of unknown lineage, is it not grade?

I guess it confuses me on how horses are judged in halter/breed if there is no breed standard to judge against since I'd imagine a lot of things can fall under "riding horse" or "show pony." Some of these make a bit more sense to me (such as Partbred Welsh), I just need some better understanding of why these are needed for halter model horse shows. I'd appreciate any further insight. :)

They are judged under UK showing rules, so although a Riding Horse is a type, it's a very specific type, it should look like a particular thing, so you can easily judge it. It has a standard in the same way as an actual breed would have. It's no different to having a sport horse, they don't have a specific breed standard but have a specific look.

If showers outside the UK aren't comfortable judging them they can just exclude them from their breed lists, but the reality is, that as a UK show host if I'm to run my shows through OMHPS my showers will need these options. Without them they will grumble and simply won't enter shows!

There are lots of 'breeds' on the breed list that are types/not really breeds/don't really have a breed standard, so I don't think it's unreasonable to add these in, when UK showers know exactly how to judge them!

Grade horses don't exist in the UK, so you won't see any UK showers using that terminology.

Some helpful links in terms of judging criteria:

Ponies - https://www.npsscotland.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Breed-Stan...P-2016.pdf

Horses - http://britishshowhorse.org/bsha-rule-book.asp

It's also worth noting that in terms of real horses in the UK horses will be registered with BHSA passports and their breed listed as 'Riding Horse' or 'Show Horse', that is their breed, they don't have another, in the same way as an American Sport Horse might be a cross between several different Warmbloods/TBs but will be registered as an American Sport Horse.

Thank you for the further clarification and information! Showing does seem to vary a lot in different places and, of course, we want to be able to accommodate all kinds of shows for people all over. I get just as many requests to have things removed from and deemed not necessary for the breed list as I do people requesting the same things on there so I try to make sure anything that's added is worthwhile, which is why I ask. :)

In this case, would it be okay if I clarified the more generic-sounding names that may confuse non-UK judges as things like "British Riding Horse" and "British Show Pony?"

Of course that sounds more than reasonable :) Technically I think they are "British Riding Horses" or "British Show Ponies" so that makes complete sense :) Especially when you have things like German Riding Ponies and Ukrainian Riding Horses!

Okay, all of these are added! If there are better categories for them (for example, I put British Hack Horse and British Riding Horse under Sport, but maybe that isn't quite where they should be) let me know :)

You're an absolute star thank you xxx